Take notice how he said it: "I found it and it's still there." GREENVILLE, S.C. - No. One of his proudest moments was in 2016 when he presented his daughter, Mary Kathryn as the Princess Music of Lincoln Center. Winds will ease into the evening. 2:22. In what way am I misinterpreting my observations?BTW, I'm a low-time private pilot who owned a C172 in the late'90s, and I've also logged about forty hours in a C182. Copyright 2021 KPLC. Nothing in the report suggests "airplane attitude was flat with nose close to the horizon. Don Clements Death - Obituary | Accident : Dead-Death has learned the passing of Don Clements who has died in a plane crash that occurred in Hackberry.. The report did not identify any witnesses by name. Watch the 2 Your Health report for Thursday, Watch the 2 Your Health report for Tuesday, Crawfish Tracker: Signs of life (and price drops). JohnsontoldKPLC-TV that the second occupant, Richard Don Clements, was believed to be a student of Palermos. Honorary Pallbearers are William Don Clements, William Edward Shaddock, Jr., Stephen Gorham Shaddock, William Edward Shaddock II MD, Brian Ray Jones and William Craig Jones. At the time of his death, Don was a partner in the Global Asset Management Group (Raymond James) in Lake Charles, LA. The report said two of the propeller's three blades were on the hub at the nose of the plane, but the third was not found. I have been thinking the same, it's the only thing that makes any sense. Accused murderer cleared by Baton Rouge jury after representing himself in court, released from jail, School accused of ignoring sexual misconduct of student later arrested in high-profile rape case. They consider him a mentor and the best pilot they knew. The airplane had high sink rate with a relatively flat attitude (nose close to the horizon). I think its a possibility that needs to be explored by people who know a whole lot more about it than I do. Distance From: 4,325 feet @ 29.9898 -93.3416 Distance To: Wreckage and Impact Information Latitude, Longitude: 30.009412,-93.330048 (est)Calculated Distance Straight line distance: 1.28 miles , 2.07 kilometers (km) , 6785 feet , 2068 meters. he always worked hard. The NTSB report outlines the final moments the craft was in flight. The plane, a single-engine Cessna 182, crashed on a small island between Hackberry and Big Lake, LA. Don graduated with a Bachelor of Science in Accounting from Louisiana Tech University. Visitation will be at the church from 12:00-3:00 pm. Is it possible that there was carbon monoxide asphyxiation putting both pilots to sleep? The airplane impacted soft ground on an island about 1.5 nautical miles northeast of Hackberry. You have permission to edit this article. 2 engine failed after takeoff. Palermo was an instructor on the flight and Clements was a student. Rock was a respected attorney and member of the Louisiana Bar. NTSB should already know if that was evident.Still a head scratcher. The plane, a single-engine Cessna 182 four-seater, crashed on a small island between Hackberry and Big Lake, near Pete Seay Circle. There was a problem saving your notification. Airspeed remained just above wing stall all the way to the ground. The demonizing of the NTSB over not traveling to this accident included the untruthful claim "I found the missing blade". BATON ROUGE, La. Could forward CG tail stall and slow airspeed be maintained (full aft elevator, lack of elevator authority) all the way to the ground with nose down? Cameron Parish and Calcasieu Parish authorities worked throughout the night investigating the crash, but are turning over the investigation to a Federal Aviation Administration crew out of Baton Rouge and a National Transportation Safety Board team out of Dallas. Both men considered Palermo a close friend and mentor--the one theyd want on hand in an emergency. Don was also a proud supporter of the Boy Scouts of America, and especially proud of his son, Will, becoming an Eagle Scout with Troup 5, which is associated with the First United Methodist Church. Flight instructors consider Palermo a friend, mentor and best pilot they ever met. yeah these are the crashes that really bother me --the unknown cause ones .That's when I consider --should I really be flying planes ? On Sept. 10, the plane, a Aerofab Lake LA-4-250, N1401P was found near the . Rock touched many, many people and this is about as tough a loss as you can get for this office and this community, Mancuso said. Authorities first got a call around 5:47 p.m. Tuesday of a plane flying low, then disappearing, Cameron Parish Sheriff Don Johnson said Tuesday evening. Local pilot Steve Thompson admits they may never know due to damage to the aircraft. He and the department announced the death of Rock Palermo who was employed by the sheriff's office. 0:00. HACKBERRY, La. NTSB releases report on deadly plane crash that killed Rock Palermo, Don Clements, Barbe High orchestra plays at Lake Charles Airport, Lake Charles residents concerned about cracked pavement. Many parts and pieces were left behind at the crash site, including the third blade!! The plane took off again about 5:13 p.m. and crashed about a half-hour later. Pallbearers are Todd Ammons, Kirk Clements, Bob Harp, Joseph Pousson, Kevin Robbins, and Henry Riquelmy. No obvious reason so far for not pulling out from the dive. It seems me that sometimes, even with all the best preparations, bad luck can find a good pilot. Answer: He didn't find it. Correct! Makes no sense to claim "non-existent investigation" when the preliminary report describes verification of control continuity by examination for tensile overload separations and a determination of as-found fuel selector position. Youll never convince me other than it was a catastrophic failure of the aircraft because Rock knew exactly what to do, said Thompson. NTSB, do your job. I'd expect the model to be MUCH more sensitive to 'prop-disc-effects' than the man-carrying versionwhich is not to suggest they don't exist for a full-sized C-182. @Trimble - No CFI would roll or allow his student to roll a 182.Your first paragraph seems to be describing a loop, not a roll. End of the "report" will read, aircraft crashed under unknown circumstances. His most cherished hobby, passed on by his father, was flying. 7 California, No. Paul Skenes fans a career high 13 in No. Sorting out the problem and making a timely decision to get on the trim control would certainly be a challenge in that scenario. Visualize being the FAA rep on scene for parts recovery when the hub was pulled up with one blade missing. Control malfunction? Wind Advisory in effect for the entire WBRZ Thursday PM Forecast: overnight showers, storms and gusty wind. Authorities are investigating after a jet from Luke Air Force Base crashed near Buckeye north of the White Tank Mountains on Thursday morning, according to Sean Clements, a . They were aboard a 1979 Cessna 182Q, of which Clements had recently become part owner of. That's all!!!! woman accused of using aunts debit card for 136 DoorDash orders held on preset $18 million bond, Juvenile injured after homemade pipe bomb detonated, police say. The National Transportation Safety Board tweeted Wednesday that it was investigating the crash but would not travel to the site. HACKBERRY, La. Then the day of the accident, Clements completed a one-hour flight around 2:30 p.m. in the plane as an insurance policy requirement without any complications. All rights reserved. As expected, he didn't find it, just a lie told for clicks. The CPSO will be working with family, supporting them. Don and his wife, Nancy chaired the Big Lake Invitational Fishing Tournament for many years. There was a problem saving your notification. File photo of police lights (iStockPhoto). He enjoyed every minute spent with them, from discussing politics and world travel with Rachel to attending Ryans baseball games to listening to Sarah play guitar and speak the Spanish language. "I'm sorry. All rights reserved. HACKBERRY, La. The intentional lie about finding the missing blade showed how little regard for their loss the tuber actually has. Looks like they circled a couple times and tried to head back to the airport. Calcasieu Sheriff Tony Mancuso got emotional while speaking Wednesday morning at a news conference. The last of ADS-B data from Flight Aware only shows the start of the incident. (KPLC) - Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry Tuesday, Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson said. An avid SCUBA diver and instructor, Rock first met Kim while teaching her SCUBA diving class. More people need to call out their dereliction of duty. In the last 12 seconds of recorded data, the airplane made a right turn and had descended about 3,200 ft. Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry on Tuesday, Calcasieu Parish Sheriff Tony Mancuso announced Wednesday. If Rock couldnt recover from this, I dont think anyone else could, said Kerbow. Wind Advisory in effect for the entire WBRZ BATON ROUGE - The Tigers win the Podium Challenge in the River Center with a score of 197.700. Copyright 2021 KPLC. The plane, a single-engine Cessna 182 four-seater, crashed on a small island between Hackberry and Big Lake, near Pete Seay Circle. When I switched to a slightly smaller three-bladed prop to get a little more tip clearance, I found that the plane would just stop flying when the throttle was pulled back to idle or near idle. Don Clements will be having a visitation from 12 p.m. to 3 p.m. on Saturday, February 6, and funeral at 3 p.m. Click here to see Calcasieu Parish Sheriff Tony Mancuso and District Attorney Stephen Dwight speak about what it was like to know Rock Palermo. No CFI would loop or allow his student to loop a 182.Not surprised that your "gut feeling" was criticized. The sales broker for the plane told investigators that on the day of the crash, the pilot reported completing a one-hour flight to meet insurance policy requirements. Wednesday afternoon, a procession was held as Palermo was brought to a Jennings funeral home, click here for more. ADS-B data 4,325 feet @ Latitude, Longitude: 29.9898 -93.3416Wreckage and Impact Information @Latitude, Longitude: 30.009412,-93.330048 (est)A straight line from Latitude, Longitude: 29.9898 -93.3416 to 30.009412,-93.330048 (est) is calculated @ 1.28 miles , 2.07 kilometers (km) , 6785 feet , 2068 meters. If they weren't stuck with tunnel vision grip on full aft yoke, they could have pushed forward and added power to get the tail plane flying again and regained control. This proposed AD was prompted by a report of cracks found in the tailcone and horizontal stabilizer attachment structure. Would like to ask for a line of discussion about the lack of a mayday call, which hasn't been previously discussed in this thread. Richard Don Clements, 55, a well-respected financial planner and talented musician, died on Tuesday, February 2, 2021 in an aviation accident. The Tigers beat out No. The empennage was crushed and distorted. Well I guess everything is possible until we know for sure: suicide, murder, kamikaze, paranormal activity, higher calling, medical, etc. Bold criminal secretly relaunched massage parlor prostitution ring as he cut a deal with prosecutors. The plane would stall and fall without any elevator input at all. He was a certified flight instructor and passed on his joy of flying to many. NEW ORLEANS The pilot who died in a Feb. 2 plane crash in Louisiana had just bought a share in the aircraft, and the other man killed in the crash was his instructor, the National. The Cessna 182 was destroyed when it crashed straight down onto an island northeast of Hackberry in Cameron Parish and sank 15 feet (4.6 meters) down into the soft soil, the NTSB preliminary report said. The families have been notified, the sheriff said. Rock Palermo and Don Clements were killed in the crash, Johnson said. (6:43 in the #2 video)If he really did find it, a responsible person who wanted resolution for the pilots and their loved ones would have immediately called the local FSDO and made sure it got turned over by positive handoff. It would be interesting to see the state of the elevator trim. A high-speed, vertical power dive could overspeed the prop, possibly causing something to let go. We appreciate everyone's prayers Clements was a financial planner with Global Asset Management. I suggested this in comments a couple of other places, and every time I've gotten ripped on about how wrong I was, and I probably am wrong, but I had a gut feeling about this when I first heard of it, two guys in a modern regular nothing special airplane doing minor training, returning to the airport, aircraft was 4,000 AGL then inexplicably nosedives into the ground, severe clear visibility calm winds, no obvious weather or mechanical reason for the crash. He is survived by his wife, Nancy, and their children, Mary Kathryn and Will. He stated that the private pilot completed the flight maneuvers well and he did not notice anything of concern. That is the question we would ALL like to know, but the NTSB didn't even bother to go to the accident location. Palermo was an instructor on the flight and Clements was a student. Don was the epitome of what a student should be. An obituary for Rock Palermo can be found HERE. Beefier police presence planned at football game after BRPD chief got into scuffle while making arrest near campus. Detailed metalurgical examination of the two blades and hub for known indicators of overspeed may be able to differentiate loss of blade in normal flight from loss by overspeed. The 737-800 is a twin-engine, single-aisle plane commonly used for short and medium-haul flights. An uncontrollable dive in an otherwise intact 182 certainly brings the elevator performance into the picture.Thanks for including the link to the FAA's "Dirty Dozen" of human-factor issues related to maintenance practices - good reading for 182 owners. Flight instructor, student pilot identified as victims in fatal plane crash near Hackberry. They are certain of Palermos ability to handle any emergency. The plane crashed near an industrial area a few miles to the south of the Little Rock airport. Watch the 2 Your Health report for Thursday, Watch the 2 Your Health report for Tuesday, Crawfish Tracker: Signs of life (and price drops). There is a long standing agreement between the NTSB and the FAA that the NTSB, because of being short-staffed, has the official authority and do relegate most general aviation accidents solely to the FAA. I'm left wondering what lessons can I take away from this one to keep it from happening to me when I fly? well the only thing to attempt if it disconnected is nose up elevator trim, if that is working, but if you are pointed straight down, that might not have enough time to work. Palermo was flying a Cessna 182 like one he owned, still parked at a local hangar. BATON ROUGE - A man arrested for running Saturday AM Forecast: Today's weather will be near perfect. a practice stall , with a forward C of G ? CG was okay. Rock touched many, many people and this is about as tough a loss as you can get for this office and this community, Mancuso said. Don't get taken in by the constant criticism of NTSB and FAA efforts. But a 182Q isn't a 737Max.. couldn't the pilot overcome a stuck trim with elevator input? Thrown blade and resulting immediate out of balance could have ripped an engine mount, canted the engine in some way creating horrendous aerodynamics and an unrecoverable dive? The Boeing 737, which had flown from Dubai, skidded off the runway . I am glad he is calling out the NTSB! Im not saying thats what happened, just a theory and my original gut feeling of what might have happened, but it is a theory that seems consistent with the facts. Well, if the cause is "something else" there is zero chance that we'll find out anything about it through a non-existent investigation by the NTSB or the FAA. Dr. Kevin Dupke, the Cameron Parish coroner, said he was at the crash site Wednesday with federal investigators and could not confirm the second mans name. Hes just one of those people you cant replace.. 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He's blaming the crash on the theory that the three-bladed prop at idle created a flat disc effect that stopped air flow to the elevator and recovery from a stall.I know about a three-bladed prop having a flat disc effect at low throttle from my experience with giant scale model planes. Leaving the blade there and risking it getting picked up by the next random visitor to the wreck site would be a disservice to solving the mystery. Probably doing some night flying just to stay current. The engine was unable to rotate through due to the impact damage. Two witnesses told investigators that the plane plunged nose-down, without any rotation. (KPLC) - Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry Tuesday, Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson said. During training, broker was in the back seat with the two in the front. The report did say that one of the propeller blades was not recovered. Run-away trim that led to??? You are misinterpreting your RC observations.Aircraft would be falling out of the sly every day if throttling back blanked the elevator.The man actually is off on a crazy idea, but nonsense on youtube always finds devoted followers. It seems like something major must have gone wrong here. 7 California, No. Paul Skenes fans a career high 13 in No. In lieu of flowers, donation can be made to the music mission at First United Methodist Church in Lake Charles or to a charity of your choice. I agree. He was simultaneously their biggest cheerleader and real life superhero. In a typical configuration, it has 178 seats . In previous comments I made elsewhere, I was just speculating. 0:47. The initial impact crater extended about 15 ft deep and contained a majority of the airplane, to include the engine, propeller, fuselage, and empennage. His half scale model Spacewalker needs to weigh 400 lbs in order to replicate prop disc effects faithfully. A comment was made about the NTSB being derelict in not actually visiting the accident site. And he was good at all three of them.. The family respectfully asks that visitors wear masks and practice social distancing, adhering to local regulations regarding COVID-19. We appreciate everyone's prayers Clements was a financial planner with Global Asset Management. Speaking with Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson, KPLC reports that Johnson said the bodies are believed to be Rock Palermo and Richard Don Clements. Both men were well known in Southwest Louisiana and had touched the lives of many. It seems odd it's damn near nose down like that unless it was human input which, would hate to think that. GREENVILLE, S.C. - No. It would seem the elevator itself could be jammed instead. Kerbow was an instructor for Clements, who was a newly licensed pilot. Bold criminal secretly relaunched massage parlor prostitution ring as he cut a Federal, local dollars at work clearing waterways in EBR. On January 30, 1993, Don married the love of his life, Nancy Edith Shaddock Clements, at the First United Methodist Church in Lake Charles, LA. An obituary for Rock Palermo can be found HERE. "Two witnesses observed the airplane in a rapid descent with the nose pointed at the ground. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. Again scratching head. If you do it wrong, when you come over the top and are inverted, if you let the nose fall towards the ground in a plane like that you can loose three or four thousand feet really fast and can easily exceed redline. So airspeed likely high and elevator authority should have been present. Two of the propeller blades remained attached to the propeller hub and one blade was not recovered. He was preceded in death by his father, Richard Don Clements, Sr. but is survived by his mother, Carolyn Joy Templeton Clements and his brother, Kirk Alan Clements, both of whom reside in Denton, Texas. No words exist to describe the void that will be left by Rocks absence. Date & Time: February 2, 2021, 17:44 Local, Flight Conducted Under: Part 91: General aviation - Instructional. He is survived by his wife, Nancy, and their children, Mary Kathryn and Will. (KPLC) - Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry Tuesday, Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson said. Rock Palermo and Don Clements were killed in the crash, Johnson said. He was a member of the Civil Air Patrol, the United States Air Force Auxiliary, and held the rank of Colonel. BATON ROUGE - One week into Lent and the crawfish market is seeing one of its first significant drops of the season. CG issue may be it. The youtube guy's 3rd dramatic video came out but has no photo or any mention about the missing blade. The Veron Bice family is saddened by the loss of our founding partner, Rock Palermo. Throwing a blade as they throttled back up would do it. The report did not identify any witnesses by name.

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